Legislature(2015 - 2016)BARNES 124

04/13/2015 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 12 MORTGAGE LENDING AND LOAN ORIGINATORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 169 RCA: RAILBELT ELECTRIC UTILITY REPORT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 66 INS. FOR DEPENDENTS OF DECEASED TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 122 CORPORATION/LLC/PARTNERSHIP REPORTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
           HB 122-CORPORATION/LLC/PARTNERSHIP REPORTS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:43:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the final  order of business  would be                                                              
HOUSE BILL  NO. 122,  "An Act  relating to  the required  reports,                                                              
required  fees,  and other  aspects  of  for-profit  corporations,                                                              
cooperative  corporations,  nonprofit  corporations,  corporations                                                              
formed under  AS 10.40, limited  liability companies,  and limited                                                              
liability partnerships; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COLVER,  speaking  as  prime sponsor  of  HB  122,                                                              
stated that  this bill hopes  to cut "red  tape" by  reducing cost                                                              
and time  for businesses and the  state by reducing  the corporate                                                              
filing reports  from two years to  four years.  Currently,  if the                                                              
corporation does not  renew its certificate of  authority, it will                                                              
automatically lapse  and dissolve.  There would not  be any fiscal                                                              
change except to change the regulations.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID SCOTT,  Staff, Representative Jim  Colver, on behalf  of the                                                              
prime  sponsor,  Representative Jim  Colver,  stated  that HB  122                                                              
would amend  two chapters,  AS 10, related  to corporation  and AS                                                              
32, the Uniform  Partnership Act.   He related that the  intent of                                                              
the bill  would be to change  the reporting requirements  from two                                                              
years  to  four  years  for  cooperative  corporations,  nonprofit                                                              
corporations, religious  corporations, LLCs and  limited liability                                                              
partnerships,  businesses  and  professional   corporations.    He                                                              
added  that the  changes are  limited to  the length  of time  for                                                              
reporting from  a biennial  report to a  status report  every four                                                              
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCOTT briefly  reviewed the bill.  He stated  that Sections 1-                                                              
18 relate to  the Alaska Corporations Code, Sections  19-25 relate                                                              
to  the Cooperative  Corporations  Act, Sections  26-36 relate  to                                                              
the Alaska  Nonprofit Corporations  Act, Sections 37-38  relate to                                                              
religious corporations,  Sections 39-45  relate to LLCs,  Sections                                                              
46-49 relate to  the Uniform Partnership Act, Section  50 provides                                                              
transition   provisions,   Section   51  relates   to   regulation                                                              
authority, and Sections 52-53 provide effective dates.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCOTT directed  attention to  Section 6,  which would  change                                                              
the  reporting requirement  from  every two  years  to every  four                                                              
years.  Section  12 would change the amount the  filing fee, which                                                              
has a net effect of not changing the overall fees.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:48:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCOTT  referred  to  Sections  18, 25,  36,  and  49  provide                                                              
definitions  and Section  50, provides  the transition  provisions                                                              
and  conversion  from a  two-year  reporting requirement  to  four                                                              
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  asked whether  there  was anything  the                                                              
department might  discern in a two  year renewal cycle  as opposed                                                              
to the four year window.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  changed to  status report since  people may                                                              
not know what quatra-annual report.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCOTT answered that the bill drafter made the decision.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:49:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES expressed  concern  about  cost of  $72,000                                                              
listed in  the fiscal note for  operating expenditures and  a loss                                                              
of $3.1 million  for fiscal year (FY)  16, and in FY  17 of 2,617.                                                              
She asked for further clarification on the fiscal note.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER deferred to the department to respond.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  asked  for further  clarification  on  the                                                              
cycle.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COLVER   suggested   that   it  would   be   more                                                              
appropriate for department to answer the mechanics.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  asked   for  the  type  of  things  the                                                              
department  reviews  when  it  inspects   the  biennial  corporate                                                              
reports  and  what  might  go missing  if  the  reports  were  not                                                              
reviewed every two years.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SARA  CHAMBERS,  Operations  Manager,  Division  of  Corporations,                                                              
Business,  and  Professional Licensing,  Department  of  Commerce,                                                              
Community,   &   Economic  Development   (DCCED),   answered   the                                                              
department  collects basic  information.   The  division was  most                                                              
interested   in  the  officers   of  the   corporation,  and   the                                                              
registered  agent.   She  stated  that  the division  becomes  the                                                              
repository  for this  information  and many  entities and  private                                                              
citizens who use the information.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:53:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON   asked  whether  any   information  might   be  time                                                              
sensitive and any impact of waiting four years for the data.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS  reported that if HB  122 were to pass,  Alaska would                                                              
be the only state  not collecting the information on  an annual or                                                              
biennial basis.   She  acknowledged that  the information  on file                                                              
might be  less accurate  if it  was only  required to be  reported                                                              
every four  years.   She said  the department  was neutral  on the                                                              
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX asked  how the mechanism  would work  under                                                              
the  bill if  the registered  agent  changed.   She asked  whether                                                              
anyone else shared the concern.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS shared Representative LeDoux's concern.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:55:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES   asked  whether  any  other   states  have                                                              
something similar.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS  answered  the  program   coordinator  showed  other                                                              
states have an annual or biennial license renewal.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:56:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COLVER asked  whether  any states  do not  require                                                              
reporting by corporations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS said  she was not aware of any  jurisdictions without                                                              
reporting requirements.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER  offered that he has done  some research and                                                              
will distribute the results.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER  asked for any consequences  to corporations                                                              
for not filing the biennial registration form.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS answered  that  the  department sends  out  courtesy                                                              
notices to  corporations if  the department  does not receive  the                                                              
form  timely  and  if  the  corporation   fails  to  respond,  the                                                              
corporation is involuntarily dissolved.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COLVER  expressed  concern  that  the  corporation                                                              
would be  dissolved for failure to  return the biennial  form that                                                              
restates corporate  officers and registered agents -  which can be                                                              
changed  at any  time.   He stated  that corporations  pay a  $100                                                              
filing  fee for  their  corporate license,  but  the entity  still                                                              
needs a business  license, and any professional licenses.   He was                                                              
unsure   if  it   was  in   the  state's   interest  to   dissolve                                                              
corporations,  which  supports  his  desire  to  extend  corporate                                                              
licenses for four years.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHAMBERS,  in response to  Representative Hughes,  stated that                                                              
the division  initiated the  courtesy notice a  few years  ago and                                                              
found many  corporations appreciated  the reminder.   The division                                                              
has seen  the numbers of  involuntary corporate dissolutions  drop                                                              
dramatically.    She  said  the division  will  continue  to  send                                                              
courtesy reminders.   As a side  benefit, any net  effect; surplus                                                              
for  corporate fining  fees is  deposited into  the general  fund,                                                              
which has been between  $5 to 6 million.  She  stated that part of                                                              
$72,000 in  the fiscal  note was  to cover informational  courtesy                                                              
mailings.   In  further  response  to Representative  Hughes,  she                                                              
explained that the  courtesy reminders were sent out  prior to the                                                              
involuntary   dissolution;  however   she  hoped  everyone   would                                                              
remember to file their biennial reports.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:00:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HUGHES   asked   how   many   corporations   were                                                              
involuntarily dissolved last year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS  said she  was  uncertain,  but could  compile  that                                                              
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:00:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES asked  if corporations  that are  dissolved                                                              
re-form their corporation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS answered  yes; but  explained corporations  dissolve                                                              
for a  variety of reasons,  and some corporations  come back  as a                                                              
different iteration.   Others simply acknowledged that  they had a                                                              
glitch   and  failed   to   renew.     In   further  response   to                                                              
Representative  Hughes, she  explained that  the initially  filing                                                              
costs about $200 and the biennial report cycle would follow.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:02:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX,  with   regard   to  registered   agents,                                                              
referred to  page 1, lines  12-14, indicates that  the corporation                                                              
was  dissolved if  within  30 days  it has  failed  to notify  the                                                              
commissioner of any  changes to the registered agent.   Thus, that                                                              
would  not really  be a  consideration  with the  four year  cycle                                                              
versus the two year cycle.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS  answered  that  the  division  could  involuntarily                                                              
dissolve a  corporation if the division  was aware of  any changes                                                              
in registered agents.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:03:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  said the  only  information  filed in  the                                                              
biennial  report was  registered  agent and  the  officers of  the                                                              
corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CHAMBERS   answered  that  some  additional   information  is                                                              
collected, such as shares of corporate ownership.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:03:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  wondered  if it  makes  sense to  have  no                                                              
filing required,  unless the corporation  changes its  officers or                                                              
registered agents.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COLVER   agreed  with   Representative   LeDoux's                                                              
approach.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:04:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked  if the division could generate a  list of other                                                              
jurisdictions in  terms of annual  and biennial corporate  filings                                                              
to ensure Alaska treats corporations similarly.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COLVER  said the biennial report  asks corporations                                                              
to  list  their  corporate officers,  the  number  of  outstanding                                                              
shares and  the shareholder  interest of  the corporate  officers,                                                              
or  in other  words, the  number of  share issued,  the number  of                                                              
outstanding  shares, and the  number of  shares held by  corporate                                                              
officers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COLVER  offered   his  belief  that   involuntary                                                              
dissolution  of a  company because  of  failure to  fill out  this                                                              
short  form  seemed  like  a harsh  penalty.    He  suggested  one                                                              
alternative to changing  the cycle was to offer  forgiveness since                                                              
it is expensive  to reinstate a corporation, which  often requires                                                              
legal assistance.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  asked   whether  the  impetus  was  the                                                              
frustration over the threat of dissolution.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COLVER answered  that it  was he  has a  bit of  a                                                              
"Libertarian" streak  in him.   He wasn't certain  that government                                                              
should tell  its citizens to do  something.  He asked  whether the                                                              
state  could  get  by with  different  reporting  period  was  one                                                              
question  and  achieve  the  same  results.    He  suggested  that                                                              
corporations  may   receive  the  card   in  the  mail,   but  the                                                              
corporation must track when the biennial report is due.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:08:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 122 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB169 ver A.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 169
HB169 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 169
HB169 Fiscal Note-DCCED-RCA-04-13-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 169
HB12 ver A.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Section Analysis.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Flow Chart and Explanation 4-10-2015 (2).pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Allie Hewitt-3-25-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Curtis Green-3-24-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Doug McCann-3-26-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Justin Goodman-3-26-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Kris Yoder-3-26-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Kristie Babcock-3-25-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Nancy Field-3-24-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Randy Rhodes-3-26-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Rueben Willis-3-26-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Shannon Fortune-3-24-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter State Farm Agents 3-9-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter Troy Sayer 3-26-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letters Tyler Randolph 3-26-2015.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-Letter-Todd Jackson-3-26-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-SAFE Act.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Supporting Documents-State Farm Corporation-Vote YES.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Opposing Documents-Email John Carman-3-31-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Opposing Documents-Letter AK Bankers Assoc-Joe Schierhorn-4-10-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Opposing Documents-Letter Alaska Bankers Assoc-Steve Lundgren 4-10-15.PDF HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Draft Proposed Blank CS ver H.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Sponsor Statement ver H.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB12 Section Analysis ver H.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12
HB122 ver A.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Sectional Analysis.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Fiscal Note-DCCED-CBPL-03-27-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Supporting Documents-Letter NFIB 3-06-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB12 Fiscal Note-DCCED-DBS-04-11-15.pdf HL&C 4/13/2015 3:15:00 PM
HB 12